We were transported in very questionable ships that had been
refitted. The one that I was on, with my brother and others, you
were down in the hull of the ship and it was half filled with
coal. You didn't have enough area to lay down. You could only
squat and your food was lowered in buckets and same thing with
your toilet idea and I'm not sure which buckets they used because
the food was so awful. And I think we were about 18 days. We
went into Formosa and they used us as trailers and of course, as
you may know, some of the ships were sunk by American
submarines. But we, we made it to, to Tokyo. And we were,
that's where we disembarked and we were held there and then taken
by train down to Osaka and then over to Oyama which was my camp.
Interviewer: When you arrived at, in Tokyo, and came out of that
hold and you saw your fellow prisoners, what was your reaction
when you saw those men.
I think that in most cases, you're at a point in your life when,
through hunger, disease and other things, I don't know that you
recorded really, what you saw. I think you just accepted it
and that's the way it was.
Interviewer: Was the condition of the men from your memory pretty
bad.
Oh yes, yes.
Interviewer: Ultimately, you were taken by train to Oyama?
Yes, we...
Interviewer: What was the purpose of the prison camp at Oyama?
We were mining, surface mining. We were transported by a cattle
car each day, morning, up to the mine and uhmm, it was uhmm
surface mines.long picks, you had long handled picks and you
had to deface this mountainside and then load the ore cars and
get it down to the hopper.
Interviewer: What kind of ore was it that you were mining?
I think it was nickel, but it was very poor quality.
Interviewer: You'd be there from dawn til dusk? Yes
Interviewer: Would the diet change any?
No, at the point we were really in serious difficulty. Uhmm, in
the cattle cars and because of your diet and physical condition,
it was almost impossible to, if you had to go to the washroom,
your hands couldn't use them. The edema was reaching a point
to where it was almost impossible to bend your legs because of
the swelling. It was a nightmare.
Interviewer: At the work site, the men would be driven hard to
meet quotas?
Oh, yes. You had to meet a quota and uhmm it , it was quite a
difficult assignment. But I can tell you one thing that I
thought was very admirable. Even then, I was, on the work force
I was the orderly. And so, these men, believe it or not, had
learned to read Japanese papers. And they knew in the guardhouse
that the Japanese newspaper was there. And they would
accidently, they would force an accident.
So I would have to take the patient down to have him considered
for transport back to the camp. And these, some of these
people, I just admired them. You took your hat off and you went
in and the Japanese guard would jump up because there'd
been an accident. They'd put the paper in their hat and put it
back on. And they would go back with me and they'd slip it
under the injured person on the stretcher and going into the
camp he wasn't searched. Everybody else was. And they'd
have the papers and they'd read them but they wouldn't share the
information, they knew it was too dangerous. But I give a
great deal of credit to some of these people that had the
capacity to do those things. I didn't but they did.