From Paris to Southern France
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From Paris to Southern France
We were then walked to a house which a woman owned,
and she had two little girls and she provided us with our supper
one evening. When we were there a little while, just at dark
a guide arrived and Dédée arrived too at the house. So there
were the five of us and Dédée and this guide, Florentino was
his name. He was a Basque and this guide took us across
the Pyrenees to Spain and when... About four o'clock in the
morning he lined us up in what he thought was the strongest
at the back. This Scottish soldier who was at the back,
he’s behind me, I was second from the back but, Goldie
was his name, but he’d been hidden up for weeks and was,
for months actually, since three or four months at least
and was in poor shape physically and he began to pass
out in the morning, at four o’clock in the morning.
So I’d have to stop the line by pulling their coat tails and get
him up on his feet again and get him going. I was really
exhausted when we got to a, a little cabin in the Pyrenees on
the Spanish side where there were two men and two women.
I don’t know wether they were all one family or two husbands
and wives or what, but anyway they lived in this cabin.
They were shepherds I think, and they fed us and we rested there
for the early part of the day and then walked that afternoon
to San Sebastian and the next day we were met by a car
from the British Embassy outside of San Sebastian and
taken to the British Embassy in Madrid, and where they had
a temporary building in which we lived for several days.
Interviewer: Tell me Mr. MacLean during that period of time Spain
was ruled by Franco, General Franco who was a fascist himself...
Yes, but the Spanish seemed ready, willing to cooperate provided
they were covered. The, at La Linea, which is opposite Gibraltar,
for example, where we crossed into Gibraltar, we were handed
over to the British Consulate in Gibraltar. Then we had to,
we were interviewed by a Spanish official and of course we had
false names and he queried us in a whole lot of questions.
I had to invent ancestors all over the place as time went by
and I was really worried. The fellow said, eventually he said to
me, "You’re doing very," when he had finished he said, "You’re
doing very well, you know. We have to, I know what the score is,"
he said, "but," he spoke perfect English, "I know what the
score is," he said, "but we have to have it foolproof for the
Germans because they have the right to inspect these papers."
And so that, some of the Spanish were very, very cooperative.
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