Leadership

It's the not the type of thing I think you can't sit down and write out a formula and say if you meet that formula you are going to be a good leader. I, I found out part of the I think I became a good leader. And I think part of that was because when I was eighteen, I had a guy for god sakes in the crew that joined the RAF a year before I was born. I'm the youngest incidently of the ten crew members. So you grow up in a hurry. And I think you have to know your people. Now I work in a service club and have now for 45 years and one of the biggest tasks is to get the presidents and that to realize that every member in their club is different and you better have an ear for everyone of them.

We'd go to, I went to staff college and studied leadership. We left staff college realizing you can't define it. You know some people say you either got it or you haven't got it. I don't know whether is goes back that far into your genes or not. I think consideration for people, I think being yourself, not a lot of the things that they teach you out of a book, no.

And the other too, you know, I think you got to, you got to live it, you know. I flew for 31 years. I'm sure it annoyed my wife many, many a time. You know because you always had to go somewhere and they were always at the least convenient time, but you do it. And you set by example I think as a part of leadership.