I did fairly well in the signalling end, did very well actually.
Interviewer: How much training did you have to become a signaller
Hmm, several months I would hazard a guess pretty close to yeah
maybe 8 or 10 months. However, in retrospect I'm brazen enough to
say that I was proficient enough to be selected, be seconded to
brigade headquarters for as they call it, duty and discipline.
But we stayed in our unit for quarters and rations. Now we're at
a place called Seaford in the south of England and there were
two camps. A north and a south camp and I can't tell you which
one, which ever one we were in, we were seconded to brigade
headquarters in the other one to provide them with telephone
service or whatever. So I became what might be known in the
vernacular as a hello girl on a telephone exchange and that was
very good. Then they decided I should be a wireless operator.
I did that too, that wireless was pretty limited stuff.
What they, the joy of it was we were bad, we were bad little
devils, I guess. When we wanted a pass for a weekend or something
we'd go to our own orderly room and ask for, "Oh no we couldn't
give you, you have to ask brigade headquarters." When you go to
ask brigade headquarters for a weekend, "No, we wouldn't, you'd
have to ask your own unit." So, because we provided a 24 hour
service, we used to do a little prowling in the night and you'd
walk through a General's office or staff room and you'd find
little pads of passes, railroad warrants and that sort of thing.
So we'd purloined a few and we'd make our own passes. Now we also
were issued with a blue and white arm band as signallers which we
had sort of a posh to everything. You weren't questioned. It had
SP on it. I don't know what the SP stood for. I can't recall,
but a lot of people thought it was Special Police. So, we would
theoretically go AWOL in London on a government pass and rail-
road warrant which was literally stolen. And the military police
would ignore us because we had this special arm band on.
We're on duty if anybody questioned anything well, we're on duty.
Interviewer: How many times would you do something like that,
do you think? Was that fairly regular?
It was regular among the, the few of us in that little group.
That was seconded to provide this signalling services
which included, as said, telephone or things like that.
Personally, I would say probably not more than a dozen times.
Interviewer: What would have happened to you if you had
have been caught? You and your mates caught doing that?
I have no idea. You see, I don't know who would catch us because
brigade headquarters weren't really interested only as suppliers
of, what shall we say, service. Our own unit weren't interested
as we're seconded to brigade headquarters. And so when it came
to things like muster parade when everybody's suppose to show up,
we deliberately did not show up. Because when we reported,
"Where were you?" "Oh, I was on duty, great day at headquarters."
And they were not in a position to challenge it or question it.
Every brigade headquarters that was a sanctum, sanctorum
you know. So we were immune.
Interviewer: The men you were with then were
very similar to yourself.
Oh yes.
Interviewer: These men were resourceful?
I would say we, we all were otherwise we wouldn't
have gotten the job.
Interviewer: During the time that you were in England training to
become a signaller, that 8 or 10 months and then eventually you
were seconded to brigade headquarters. During that time,
the Canadian core was involved in France at Vimy Ridge
and Passchendaele.
Right. Very much so.
Interviewer: You would follow their progress?
Yes, as a matter of fact, on one particular occasion we were not
only detail, but equipped and lined up to take part to go to
France. Presumably they were getting short of help or something,
but they lined us up one night and took us and all. We got, we're
at Seaford but we went, where was it now? I think it was
Southampton. But that was as far as we got.
Interviewer: A decision was made for you to return?
Send them back again. We don't need them. You see the casualties
in the signal corps were very light. Particularly when you bear
in mind that it was divisional signal corps.
Do you know the difference?
Interviewer: Could you explain it to me?
Yes. Within limits. You'll have to bear with me, but if my memory
serves me correctly there's four battalions to a division.
To a brigade, I'm sorry, four battalions, roughly about
1000 men each, to a brigade and four brigades to a division.
So that as a divisional signaller, we provided no services beyond
brigade. Brigade was as far advanced as we went, now it was
theoretic each brigade controlled 4 battalions at the rear of
four battalions you see administrative.
Interviewer: So the divisional signallers would be well back
(Well back, yeah.) from the front?
This is why there was so little demand for us.
Interviewer: And you people were being restricted to be
replacements for divisional signallers only?
Yes and we would not provide service beyond brigade headquarters.
A lot of the other battalions would refer to us as the jam
brigades. We were all very young so it was quite customary for
those who had mothers or relatives you get a, you know send them
a jar of jam or something and they go on parade for meals with
this jar of jam. The rugged troops would refer to us as the jam
brigade and when occasionally we'd go on marches in age during
the earlier stages, training stages, a lot of the people who
had bees or something would give little jars of honey as little
treats. Oh no they were very, very good
as far as I was concerned. Very good.
Interviewer: Now you had no one sending you jam?
No.
Interviewer: Did your comrades share what they had?
Oh yes. Very good, oh yes. That was, when one got some that
was for the tent. You know, we were in tents a lot of the time.
So when one got some it was generally shared right around.
There was very little selfishness, very little selfishness.