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Interviewer: So when did you return to Canada? I think it must have been sometime in October, cause we spent 20 days in Manila. We were, the war was over on the, I think the 15th of August we knew about it, and the first ships arrived about September 3rd. One ship came to our side and thirty two went to the other side where there was no more prisoners but there was civilian prisoners were there, Stanley, them all at Camp Stanley. But had one Canadian boat came over to our side and started, I went to the hospital so I missed this, but they started taking all the fellas in, gave them a shower, gave them a shot of rum, gave them something to eat and then sent them off just continually until the war office in London, England, heard about it and they ordered that boat away from the pier out to the middle of the, I think it was about 4 miles between Hong Kong, out in the middle of it. So then what they did, but lowered the life boats, come over with life boats, and put the soldiers on, took them back. Now I never got, made this trip but I saw what was happening Interviewer: So when you land back in Canada, is there anyone waiting there for you? No. Vancouver, I had relatives in Vancouver that I stopped and I did see before I came, before I left. I went and checked into a hotel at first, debating if I should phone them and I did. Interviewer: So they knew you were coming home. Yeah and then I stopped in Calgary, my, this, it was an aunt and uncle in Vancouver and cousins. And I stopped in Calgary and my aunt was still there, my grandmother with two aunts were still there and a couple of uncles or whatever. Interviewer: So knowing what you went through, through and first time you saw your mom and dad, can you explain that? I got off the train... on the train was six guys that I knew from the camp very well and they had told me "Get to a bootlegger and get us a bottle of rye", and that's what I'm doing, I'm getting off the train and I'm gonna run to the station as fast as I can and get a, I knew Regina fairly well, get a cab, tell him "Take me to a bootlegger" and he'll know. And I got off the train and who's standing here... my dad, my mother, my sister, my brother-in-law, and her father-in-law. So this guy Jimmy Young, I shouldn't say his name, but Jimmy Young, I could still see the look on his face, he's not going to get any rye. Interviewer: You had to say hello. Right. Interviewer: They must have been glad to see you. Oh yeah, very emotional at that time. Interviewer: Did they ever know what you went through? Not at that stage of the game, no, no. My mother knew I was hungry for some reason or other, she couldn't eat a steak, that's what she told me "I just couldn't touch a steak John".

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