Interviewer: After a number of weeks
the Canadians were moved to
Sham Shui Po prison camp.
Do you remember what the,
were the conditions any different
there at Sham Shui Po?
Well, that's when the, the work party started.
They had to work on the KaiTak airport and
it was miserable work,
it was miserable work.
We were supposed to be mixing
concrete and laying it down and
doing all with, it was just pick and
shovel work, pick and shovel work,
pick and shovel.
Interviewer: Were you men still fed the
same amount of food?
We were supposed to get a bun, supposed to
get a bun, but then again the flour had,
had been exposed, there was,
had been insects in the flour,
insects in the flour,
and it was a miserable poor diet.
It was a pitiful poor diet. It was, it was.
Interviewer: So on that diet of three bowls
of rice, you men were expected to do heavy
manual labour out in the Kai Tak airport.
Yes we were, we were.
Absolutely, we were.
Interviewer: There were diseases in the camp,
was there dysentery?
All kinds of dysentery, all kinds of dysentery.
And the worst of all,
of course, was the diphtheria.
Interviewer: Tell me about the diphtheria epidemic.
Well, there's something gathers like a,
a thick phlegm in the throat,
it gathers in the throat and, and you,
in the advanced cases it, it's so thick in
there that you, the men couldn't swallow,
they couldn't swallow.
And they didn't last long then,
they didn't last long.
A terribly thick, sticky, rubbery phlegm
that seemed impossible to, mind you,
I did not, by a miracle,
I did not get diphtheria.
But I came awful close to it,
and I'll tell you why.
I came in from, from Kai Tak airport late
one night and Robadeau said,
"Do you know that there was a
little bit meat came in?" And he said,
"I chewed on mine and I then thought
I'd better save the rest of it for you."
And I said, "Did you have this in your mouth?"
"Well," he said, "I couldn't chew it without
putting it in my mouth."
"Well," I said, "you know, I'm so tired
I don't even feel like eating."
And the next morning Robadeau,
was down with the, with the diphtheria.
So I came that close to getting diphtheria.
And Robadeau died.
Interviewer: Were there many men
that died from diphtheria?
Oh yes, oh yes. They were, they were fenced
off from the, from the rest of the camp and,
with barbed wire, and, and there was a
guard there to see that you
didn't visit them and, yeah.
Interviewer: What did the Japanese authorities
do to remedy this epidemic?
Well after quite a number had died, then
after a number of the POWs had died,
then, they finally got in some vaccine,
and were vaccinated then
against diphtheria.