Fighters were, you against me. You felt you had a better chance
against a fighter and maybe you didn't but you felt, he's a
human being, I can talk to this fella. But one night, we were
jumped by a couple of night fighters and that was pretty hairy.
Interviewer: Tell me about that.
Well, that was a place called Aschaffenburg, which was away deep
in the Black Forest. And it had been an average trip and pretty
hot over the target but then always when you got out of the
target, you got into the darkness, you felt better because you
know, your combed by search lights and flak, you think
everybody, every German on the ground is looking at you and you
alone and firing at you. Then you get into the darkness, you
thought, "Well, we're on my way home." But, yet it was not that
good because the fighters would usually did not come into the
target area. So, they were waiting out there. So, as we were
rolling along, and cutting a ...sort of semi-relaxed, I think,
it's not as tense as over the target. And an aircraft blew up on
my starboard side, I'd say 150 yards away. And it blew up and we
saw these parachutes coming out. And what had happened is German
night fighter had shot it down. And then he had broken off to
port, now when he had straightened up, we're in between he and
this Lancaster. And we were still at it perfectly against this
burning Lanc. So, he figures he going to get a iron cross
tonight and I'm going to get two of them in 30 seconds. But my
gunners had seen him break away. So, they alerted me to it and I
had 2 crack gunners. And when he came in, they gave me
the...they were telling me when... and there's a drill you had
it's called a corkscrew. So as soon as they told me corkscrew go
port, then my tactic was immediately dove 30 degrees to port or
starboard, in this case port and nose down and build your speed
up, as fast, harder, full power and going like the clappers.
Then after you got to about 260 miles a hour, you did another 30
degree turn, still on a dive. So now, you are going 60 degrees
and went you get up to 400 miles an hour then you rolled it
back. And these were the commands you gave them, changing and
rolling and rolling meant you were changing back. Now, you climb
sharply back up 30 degrees and then when you get almost get to
the stalling point, you turn to another 30 degrees. So, you are
going to be back reasonably on track because you had gone 60
degrees this way and 60 degrees back. But in the meantime, the
night fighters coming out of the clappers and he can't slow down
as fast cause you're now, now, almost at the stall. And I
remember the peak of the cl..., and it was about 125 and it
stalled at 115, which I was aware of. My rear gunner called up
he says, "Keep her going Skipper." cause he was looking right in
at this 88 coming at us with 4 canon and 2 canon and four
machine gun and they are all firing at him and I could see, out
of the corner of my eye, a tracer all over and above the wing
and below it, cause we were turning. And at any rate, the tactic
was that he couldn't slow down, which he couldn't, as he went
over ahead, the mid-upper gunner put a full burst into his port
engine and it caught fire. So, we saw him, he went on, I'd say,
about half a mile, then we saw his three parachutes come out
which was, meant that they got out of there, which was fine and
the aircraft dropped down. And , you know my knees were shaking,
I was as tense as could be, and I remember checking, the first
thing I did after, was check with the crew, is everyone okay.
While that was going, I looked out and there was an air coming
directly at me, straight on the point beam. So I alerted the
gunners and again the gunner hollered, "Port, two port, go!" And
I thought, "Christ, am I going to do this again?" And so, I
started her down, but what was happening, the aircraft coming at
me was another Lancaster and he had been chased by a Junker 88.
So, as we went down, in the first leg of the corkscrew, now this
Lanc is going across here and right behind him was the 88. And I
don't think that German knew we were even in the same sky as
him. And Bill put a full burst right into the cockpit and he
went straight up like that and then over and then down.
The intelligence said likely he was killed in that first burst,
his natural reaction was to haul the stick back.
And so, within five minutes, we had two claims.