We jumped off in Toronto, off this train 'cause I wanted to
visit my brother Stanley, my half brother, and an older brother,
Ernie, too, that lived in Toronto and he had a job with the Pat
Burns Company and he thought, he tried to get us a job there. He
even offered a man $50.00 for a job and you just could, there,
it was just tight. This is September - October 1935. Anyway I
stayed there with Stanley and he was really a, he wasn't
married, we were single and I stayed there having lots of fun
‘til I blew, blew the eighty bucks and here I was, no job. So I
said, "Well Stan," this is the 10th of December 1935, I said,
"I'm leaving here." He said, "Where are you going?" I said,
"I'm, they tell me at Sudbury you can get a job in the mines up
at Sudbury at Copper Cliff." So he said, "Oh well." Anyway, he
said, "How are you going there?" I said, "The freight, how do
you think I got here?" But I went down to the yards in Toronto
and I can remember this, in December, and I grabbed a freight
train and I made it as far as Perry Sound. And by this time it
was about eight o'clock at night and we were going north and
west and it was cold. So I said, "Well, I'm not gonna do this. I
can't ride on this thing all the day or I'll never get to
Sudbury." So I jumped off in Perry Sound and I waited for a
passenger at ten o'clock and I climbed up the back of the, of
the tender, and I'm talking steam trains, not diesel. And I
climbed up the back of that steam train, and there's a pipe that
runs down into the water tank at the back and the steam goes
through the boiler and then it comes back down there and it's
nice and warm and there's a place there to put tools in there
and it was just a little cubby hole. And I got in there and I
rode that freight train to Sudbury, Ontario. And I got in there
about midnight and it's slowing down and coming in and I see the
CPR policeman on a platform watching for me, and as soon as I
got slow enough I hit the deck on that platform and I ran and
just jumped on the other side of the fence. Well once I was off
CPR property he wasn't, and I'd ridden freight trains before
that so I knew. So I got into Sudbury and I went to, moved right
up to the jail. You went into the jail to sleep because it was
warm and steam heat in there, and it's 25 below there outside.
Stayed in the jail overnight, met another fella in there. He
says, "Where ya going?" I said, "I'm looking for a job at Copper
Cliff in the mine." He said, "Well, I'm going out there tomorrow
too." So we went out there and he was about my size and I only
weighed about 130 pounds. We get out there, the guy just looked
at us, he says, "You've gotta be 150 pounds minimum to work in
the mines." So that was that, no job in the mines.